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### Qualifying Exam Academic Integrity Chat
#### ME vs. MSE Requirements
October 22nd, 2024
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#### ME and MSE graduate guidelines have different language about the qualifying exam.
ME Version:
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MSE Version:
In the publicly available version of the MSE PhD guidelines, there is no mention of academic integrity on the Qualifying Exam.
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#### One big question:
- **What is "specific technical points"?**
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Jon is preparing to take the qualifying exam. After submitting an abstract, Joe, another student in Jon's lab, gives Jon some ideas on the state of the art.
- **Is Joe's advice a breach of Academic Integrity?**
- **Can Joe discuss ideas on other sections?**
- *Goals and Outcomes / Hypotheses... *
- *Research Approach ideas*...
- *Broader Impacts...*
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Jon is taking is qualifying exam. Beth, a student in a different lab, reads Jon's proposal.
Beth is reminded of another paper that seems useful for Jon.
- **Can she tell Jon about the paper?**
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Jon is taking is qualifying exam. Beth, a student in a different lab, reads Jon's proposal.
Beth notices technical inaccuracies in Jon's writing.
- **Can she tell Jon about the errors?**
- **Can she explain why she thinks Jon is incorrect?**
- **What if she tells Jon about a different method to use?**
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Jon is preparing for his oral examination. He would like some presentation practice, so he presents to his lab mates.
- **What kind of questions can Jon's peers ask?**
- **Can these peers tell Jon where he has gaps?**
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#### Now some other issues...
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#### Knowing your committee:
What should the expectation be?
- ME knew after the first week. Abstract acceptance was from committee.
- MSE did not know their committee for weeks.
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#### Hypothesis vs. Outcomes
- MSE - need hypotheses in the proposal
- ME - outcomes are sufficient
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#### NSF GRFP Proposal style
- Has happened in the past
- Will this return?