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2.1 GSA Meeting Notes/2024-10-22 Meeting with Gleeson and Committee Chairs.md
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### Qualifying Exam Academic Integrity Chat
#### ME vs. MSE Requirements
October 22nd, 2024
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#### ME and MSE graduate guidelines have different language about the qualifying exam.
ME Version: ME Version:
![[Pasted image 20241021155046.png]] ![[Pasted image 20241021155046.png]]
MSE Version: MSE Version:
In the publicly available version of the MSE PhD guidelines, there is no mention of academic integrity on the Qualifying Exam. In the publicly available version of the MSE PhD guidelines, there is no mention of academic integrity on the Qualifying Exam.
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One big question: #### One big question:
- **What is "specific technical points"?** - **What is "specific technical points"?**
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Jon is preparing to take the qualifying exam. After submitting an abstract, Joe, another student in Jon's lab, gives Jon some ideas on where the state of the art is on his topic. Jon is preparing to take the qualifying exam. After submitting an abstract, Joe, another student in Jon's lab, gives Jon some ideas on the state of the art.
- **Is Joe's advice a breach of Academic Integrity?** - **Is Joe's advice a breach of Academic Integrity?**
- **Can Joe discuss ideas on other sections?** - **Can Joe discuss ideas on other sections?**
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Jon is taking is qualifying exam. Beth, a student in a different lab, reads Jon's proposal. Jon is taking is qualifying exam. Beth, a student in a different lab, reads Jon's proposal.
Beth is reminded of another paper that she read that seems it would be useful for Jon. Beth is reminded of another paper that seems useful for Jon.
- **Can she tell Jon about the paper?** - **Can she tell Jon about the paper?**
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Jon is preparing for his oral examination. He would like some presentation practice, and presents to his peers in his lab. Jon is preparing for his oral examination. He would like some presentation practice, so he presents to his lab mates.
- **What kind of questions can Jon's peers ask?** - **What kind of questions can Jon's peers ask?**
- **Can these peers tell Jon where he has gaps?** - **Can these peers tell Jon where he has gaps?**
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Knowing your committee: #### Now some other issues...
What should the expectation be? ---
#### Knowing your committee:
What should the expectation be?
- ME knew after the first week. Abstract acceptance was from committee.
- MSE did not know their committee for weeks.
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#### Hypothesis vs. Outcomes
- MSE - need hypotheses in the proposal
- ME - outcomes are sufficient
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#### NSF GRFP Proposal style
- Has happened in the past
- Will this return?