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### Qualifying Exam Academic Integrity Chat 

#### ME vs. MSE Requirements

October 22nd, 2024

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#### ME and MSE graduate guidelines have different language about the qualifying exam. 

ME Version:
![[Pasted image 20241021155046.png]]
MSE Version:
In the publicly available version of the MSE PhD guidelines, there is no mention of academic integrity on the Qualifying Exam.

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#### One big question:
- **What is "specific technical points"?**

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Jon is preparing to take the qualifying exam. After submitting an abstract, Joe, another student in Jon's lab, gives Jon some ideas on the state of the art.

- **Is Joe's advice a breach of Academic Integrity?**
- **Can Joe discuss ideas on other sections?**
	- *Goals and Outcomes / Hypotheses... *
	- *Research Approach ideas*...
	- *Broader Impacts...*
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Jon is taking is qualifying exam. Beth, a student in a different lab, reads Jon's proposal. 

Beth is reminded of another paper that seems useful for Jon. 

- **Can she tell Jon about the paper?**

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Jon is taking is qualifying exam. Beth, a student in a different lab, reads Jon's proposal. 

Beth notices technical inaccuracies in Jon's writing.
- **Can she tell Jon about the errors?**
- **Can she explain why she thinks Jon is incorrect?**
- **What if she tells Jon about a different method to use?**

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Jon is preparing for his oral examination. He would like some presentation practice, so he  presents to his lab mates. 

- **What kind of questions can Jon's peers ask?**
- **Can these peers tell Jon where he has gaps?** 

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#### Now some other issues...

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#### Knowing your committee:

What should the expectation be?

- ME knew after the first week. Abstract acceptance was from committee.
- MSE did not know their committee for weeks. 

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#### Hypothesis vs. Outcomes
- MSE - need hypotheses in the proposal
- ME - outcomes are sufficient

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#### NSF GRFP Proposal style
 - Has happened in the past
 - Will this return?